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Drink-drive deaths show 26% rise

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    Mad Lab Rat

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    Isn't it about time we started really punishing drink-drivers?

    Let's start with a £50,000 enforcable fine and up to 20 years in prison.
     
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    Paul Norman

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    I suspect that the increased reliance on speed cameras is, in part, behind this.

    Speed cameras, being one dimensional and able only to deal with speed, and only that at a very fixed location, are a poor substitute for patrol cars.

    So...we have more speeding tickets, and more road deaths.
     
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    That`s a really sad statistics. Something should be done!
     
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    Chris Lodge

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    I actually find this quite surprising as I would have thought that road users were more aware than ever of the risks. Does this include any drug use?
     
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    In addition, of course, it would be interesting to know the actual numbers. Does anyone have them?
     
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    We should be taking a zero tolerance towards drink driving just like our European cousins. There if you are caught with a trace, you can be done for it!
     
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    Maybe they should toughen up the ads?

    Look at NI's for example:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtJqw--DGl8"]DOE Drink Driving Road Safety Ad - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    Oh my. That sent shivers all over my body! When we people realise?
     
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    When we stop fannying around with soft public info adverts!

    Speeding is also tackled hard:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISG6NplzVz0"]Just because; 2012 doe advert northern ireland - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    Most people do. The sad fact remains, however, it only needs one to not care to create the potential for tragedy. Regretably, it is also true that no level of increased policing, increased penalties, or increased marketing will shake that last person from their folly.

    I suspect that the biggest driver, in the 70's and 80s, when drink driving first became a target for reduction, was peer pressure.
     
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    The numbers have gone from 230 to 290. I'm don't think those numbers are high enough to be meaningfully represented by a percentage increase. But that of course is why the BBC have done it, it looks worse that way.

    I think Paul is bang on the money with speed cameras being left to traffic enforcement. People don't fear getting pulled over and breathalised any more.
     
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    The reality is, you see close to zero patrol cars. Move that out of town - where there is more temptation to drive to the pub anyway, to can remove the word close. There are zero patrol cars.

    But there are still speed cameras.

    However, although each of the 290 incidents of drink driving are to be severely regretted, that is not the apocalyptic outcome that we are being led to believe.
     
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    The truth is that this statistic by itself means absolutely nothing. It does not tell us who the additional drink drivers are or whether this is a trend that will continue or whether it's just a 1 year blip.
     
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    There is mention above of zero tolerance in Europe. I spend a lot of time in France (where I am at the moment) and you see police everywhere - routine vehicle checking, jumping out of bushes with speed radar guns, standing by the side of the road to catch out those not wearing seat belts - in addition to the ever increasing plethora of speed cameras - but I don't see that this has changed the habits of drinking drivers even though they have lower limits than in the UK.
     
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    France has almost twice the number of road deaths compared to the UK according to EU Figures. France has about 60 deaths per million. The UK has about 30. In addition the EU average for deaths related to drink driving is 25% of the total. In the UK according to the ONS it's 15%. It really is not as simple as "zero tolerance" or lowering limits. There are many other factors also involved. In addition there appears to be no correlation between how stiff drink drive penalties are compared to the incidence of drink driving.

    Some countries such as Ireland and the Czech Republic have made massive strides in improving their figures for road deaths but they had a much bigger problem that we have to start off with. It should not be lost in all of this that the UK has some of the safest roads in the World when it comes to accident figures. Even though we have much heavier congestion that many other countries.

    Incidentally, the biggest cause of KSI (Killed and Seriously Injured) on UK roads is simply failure to look. In 2010 42% of KSI's were down to simple failure to look. 5% were down to drink driving.

    From evidence around the EU it would appear that it's actually awareness campaigns that and the most useful thing to do.
     
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    One point of note with the zero tolerance policy is that the human body actually manufactures alcohol in the bloodstream. This has been verified medically and is one of the prime reasons why zero tolerance is not viable.
     
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