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Old 13th August 2008, 08:47 PM
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When Is A Guarantee Not A Guarantee?



The word GUARANTEE is one of the most powerful words used in marketing and sales. The idea generated by the word is that a customer or client will absolutely receive or achieve something as a result of the product or service.

In the SEO (Search Engine Optimisation) business, many potential clients are offered such guarantees. The most common guarantee is that the SEO company can provide the client with hitting the ‘Guaranteed Front Page of Google’. Businesses that attain these positions on Google will often take the Lion’s share of business, so of course, all businesses want to grab and keep those positions.

This leads to SEO companies making grandiose claims about how they can help your company to achieve those positions.

However, let’s make something abundantly clear from the start.

No one can guarantee you the Number ONE ranking position on Google.

You should be wary of any SEO company that claims they can provide you with the coveted #1 spot on Google. You should be especially cautious of anyone that contends that they have a relationship with Google or can get priority treatment by Google for your submission to the rankings. No one gets priority.

Google themselves say: "Beware of SEOs that claim to guarantee rankings, allege a "special relationship" with Google, or advertise a "priority submit" to Google."


When you’re offered a guarantee, it usually comes in one of the following guises:

ONE: GUARANTEED Front Page on Google – the offer is usually a way that less than scrupulous companies offer a flat fee for Google AdWords. After huge set up fees, that only gives you Google coverage for a couple of months, you’ll find you could have done it all yourself cheaper. If you need AdWords, use them but don’t fall for a false guarantee.

TWO: Guaranteed Front Page Google Listings – Sounds great, but they don’t specify a search term. Out of the key words and phrases that you want to be front page on Google for, you’ll find you’re guaranteed front page for ‘Blue Widgets with Red Dots in North East Clacton’. No one searches for that, but the guarantee has been fulfilled and you’ll never see your money again.

THREE: Guarantee Front Page Google List Or Your Money Back – Sounds good, but try getting your money back when you don’t see your site on the front page! The company will send you a screenshot proving your site held the front page Google listing but in reality it was for one day and never happened again.

FOUR: Replacement Traffic Guarantee – ‘If we don’t get you a front page Google position, then we’ll buy enough AdWords for you to get the level of traffic you need.’ Sounds tempting but why not just buy AdWords yourself? If their service can’t provide what you need, why would you want them to use Adwords to do it? Even with Google AdWords, no one can guarantee the traffic you will receive. The SEO company needs to make money, but the traffic they’ll send you through AdWords will most likely be less than you could have gotten yourself for less money!

FIVE: Google Front Page Or No Charge – this could very well be tantamount to a scam because this company could well use every black hat (dodgy, underhanded, unacceptable to Google) trick in the book in order to get you to the Front Page. In the end, Google will punish your site, and the damage is done. They will charge huge monthly fees if they do get you listed (albeit briefly) and try to tie you in for as long as possible.

The moral of the tale? Read the small print, make sure you know exactly WHAT is being guaranteed, and above all; if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

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How very true - all of it!
I know how hard it was to get to PR4 with my own (quite local) site and I respect 'real' SEO people who are willing to do the donkey work for others.

About 20% of my work is building websites for small businesses and not only do they expect to get top rankings on Google right after the site has been built, they also expect me to do it for no extra charge!
After explaining that I don't touch SEO apart from proper titles, descriptions, link words and the provided content itself, two have gone off and gotten 'done' by scam SEO companies that just buy AdWords on their behalf.
I used to have someone who handled SEO for most of my clients but she has moved into the music business.

Perhaps Nikki I could send some business your way if you are interested...
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I have for years compared the SEO market to the wild west, In fact we started this analogy on Highrankings years ago.

On the one hand you have professional doctors who would teat indians and cowboys and try to make them well again. On the other hand was the snake oil salesmen, who would simply get them drunk with firewater, but tell them it cured all ills. This is what we have today.

Another problem that I have always said is that people believe what they WANT to believe. No-one wants to believe that it is going to take them 6-12 months before they start ranking for difficult terms. So they go to someone who charges them 5 times as much but guarantees them the known universe, then complain when it all goes wrong.

Managing customer expectancy is an art, and many people don't have the personality to do it, so they lie, and they lie to make money, and it is illegal, but the plice don't get involved, and trading standards won't get involved, so the wagon rolls into town on the telephone, and the snake oil gets sold..... And the next day these poor ususpecting business owners wake up without their money, but with the biggest hangover the world has seen.

THEN, they telephone the REAL professional and for some strange reason they shout and ball at them telling them about what they have suffered at the hands of old snakey
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The truth is that in some cases an experienced SEO might be able to guarantee placement for some low to medium competitive keyphrases depending on his experience, competition analysis, keyword strength, similarities with other projects he completed and several other factors.

I remember I have offered some guarantees to a few clients in the past and only once I wasn't able to deliver what I have promised so I've had to refund half of the fees. Most of the times, especially when it comes to medium to high competitive KW's, these sort of guarantees are not possible.

Beware of those companies who offer guarantees on any KW you like as this is scam and you will end up loosing money and wasting your time.

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i know what you are saying there. I will often speak to a client and say something like ' i don't see any reason why we shouldn't get first page top 5 rankings for those words, they are not that hard' Sometimes if I know as sure as night follows day that i can get top ranking, I will tell them. But i always explain that it is the overall bottom line that matters, not the ranking of a couple of phrases.
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It's amazing what some people think is possible with little or no funds or work.
"I want to be at the top of Google for the words 'Office Supplies'"

Yeah right - you and thousands of other people who've had Office Supplies websites for years!

'Local' websites are so much easier to do because the searches are narrowed down a lot. For instance, I fix PC's in my local area (Sittingbourne, Kent). I'm at number one for most PC related searches with 'Sittingbourne' in the phrase. (e.g. Sittingbourne PC Repair - Sittingbourne Data Recovery etc) but once you start getting nationwide or international it's a very different picture. (although I have managed # 3 on Google UK for 'Computer Repair')

One of my clients wants SEO for an Office Supplies site which has just opened. He will be doing drop-shipping and mail order nationwide. I have tried to explain that this will take a while and there will be lots of work involved.

I do have great respect for people who work in the SEO business. I have done it for my own site and find it boring, repetitive and frustrating!
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i know what you are saying there. I will often speak to a client and say something like ' i don't see any reason why we shouldn't get first page top 5 rankings for those words, they are not that hard' Sometimes if I know as sure as night follows day that i can get top ranking, I will tell them. But i always explain that it is the overall bottom line that matters, not the ranking of a couple of phrases.
Hey OWG - good to see you on here as well as UKBF!

To the rest of you, listen to this guy - he really knows what he is talking about (and he's from God's country!)
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The truth is that in some cases an experienced SEO might be able to guarantee placement for some low to medium competitive keyphrases depending on his experience, competition analysis, keyword strength, similarities with other projects he completed and several other factors.
It also depends how far the website owner is prepared to (a) totally rebuild their site (b) wait

No point in laying down guarantees for a website that you can categorically conclude WON'T rank well, apart from that - everything is easy

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James,

I think the point you make is something webmasters ought really to pick up on ... ranking for low to medium competitive keyword terms. This is unfortunately the tactics I see a lot of companies using to entice people to use their services and the truth is, the website owner could probably do this themselves.

It's better to rank for 100 low competitive keywords than just one highly competitive keyword. Your aim is to get people to your site via your front page, second page or third page because then and only then do you have the potential to convert them.

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OMG same old faces, different house....lol

And still people are chatting about page rank.

As for guarantees, most of these clowns cover their asses with well worded terms and conditions.

If your good enough people will trust you

As the band of SEO brothers grow I have noticed a growing trend of providers who dont even advertise their own websites, a very worrying trend indeed
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It's better to rank for 100 low competitive keywords than just one highly competitive keyword. Your aim is to get people to your site via your front page, second page or third page because then and only then do you have the potential to convert them.
Spot on. People concentrate too hard on just one key phrase.
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Spot on. People concentrate too hard on just one key phrase.
I must admit I keep having to step back, and look at other keywords etc. But those magic phrases are still beating me at the moment :-) So I'm bound to concentrate on them...............
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I think the point you make is something webmasters ought really to pick up on ... ranking for low to medium competitive keyword terms. This is unfortunately the tactics I see a lot of companies using to entice people to use their services and the truth is, the website owner could probably do this themselves.
I disagree, most website owners don't know the first thing about building websites nor have the time or motivation to learn about SEO. Why spend months learning about SEO when you can pay someone else, of course there are some website owners that are up to speed and could probably do a better job if they put their mind to it.
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It's better to rank for 100 low competitive keywords than just one highly competitive keyword. Your aim is to get people to your site via your front page, second page or third page because then and only then do you have the potential to convert them.
Again I'm not so sure, that would depend how well your site converts. I'd rather be No1 for 'Property' than 'Buy a house in Chipping Sodbury'. I'd say it was subjective site to site as to what you should/could target.

Interesting point is that some website owners don't even KNOW what they should be targeting.

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I filled out their 'see an example' form, and it told me that I will never get to the top of Google unless I use them
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